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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] When you say manipulate the file are you speaking of pressure from each side?

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Yes. Pretty much what Michael said. I have a diamond file I got from Stewmac (this one: www.stewmac.com/shop/Fretting_supplies/Shaping_and_crowning/ 3/Diamond_Fret_Files.html).
Mine is the medium fret wire one. By tilting it a bit to each side and working just the "shoulder" of the crown, it will round nicely without changing the top, or peak, of the crown.

That said, I've only had to do this on one guitar that I had some fretting problems on... long story I won't go into now. My point is - and I have Frank Ford and Sergei de Jonge to thank for enlightening me to this - that if the fretboard is properly leveled before installing the frets and if the frets are seated properly, the leveling of the frets should remove such a small amount of metal off the fret tops that they don't need to recrowned with a file. All that's necessary is to sand (with very fine sandpaper and micromesh) over the frets, with your fingers backing the sandpaper/micromesh, pressing down fairly hard, "wiping" lengthwise up and down the fretboard... this will round over any slight flattening caused by the very minimal leveling that was done, while also removing filing marks and polishing up the frets nicely. It's quick and easy.

BTW, I also mark the tops of my frets with red (yes, red, and I don't trust anyone who would even think of using a different color ) marker before leveling, so I can easily see where my leveling tool* is removing metal, and see when I'm done leveling (all frets have been lightly touched).

If you've never seen Frank do one of his refretting demos, make every effort to attend one. He seems to do them at every GAL and ASIA convention. He's on the roster for the GAL convention this June, so I'd guess he'll be doing it again.

*My fret leveling tool is indeed a level - an aluminum carpenter's level I've checked for straightness, onto which I stick a strip of sandpaper. Works like a dream.

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This is the reason I level the fret board after neck fit up. I install the neck assembly to the body and level the fretboard. Then check my slot depth and correct after the leveling then install frets. On occasions there is a couple frets that need taken down just a hair but only if I missed a slot depth.

The next is not a good reason but just somthing that is helpful if it does happen. If you get a 14th fret hump at neck installation, If you level the fretboard after installing the neck assembly and before freting in is simple to level out the dreaded 14th fret hump with out reworking you neck set and top sanding.


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I don't see how you can keep from having to level the heck out of frets if you install them before installing the the neck. I see it done all the time but the one time I tried it the end of the fretboard curled on me from the slight spread of the slots when you install the frets. I don't think that my slots are too narrow but I guess I could go a tad wider and CA the tang in. I just made me a padded masking that goes on the top during leveling fretting to protect it. I have only once done any damage and it was easy fix (ding around the dound hole). Having done it both ways, I like my way for the reasons I mentioned before.


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[QUOTE=Todd Rose] [QUOTE=Hesh1956] When you say manipulate the file are you speaking of pressure from each side?

TIA[/QUOTE]


BTW, I also mark the tops of my frets with red (yes, red, and I don't trust anyone who would even think of using a different color ) marker before leveling, so I can easily see where my leveling tool* is removing metal, and see when I'm done leveling (all frets have been lightly touched).


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Wow Todd I was with you up until the red comment, then sadly I realized you were quite insane.So sad, so sad when a luthier goes mad, "TODD! THIS IS THE POLICE PUT THE FILE AND THE RED MARKER DOWN AND BACK SLOWLY AWAY FROM THE GUITAR!"
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I press 1-9 with my arbor press. 10-15 and 19-20 or 21 with my Jaws2 and hammer 16,17 and 18 The jaws 2 just does not reach 16,17 and 18 well from the sound hole and I don't like usinng a long clamping caul on the back at 16-18. I agree I relly like pressing over hammering. I am planing to add a bolt-on extension on up coming builds. Then I can set the neck, level the fretboard and remove to install all the frets on the arbor press with out the worry of the extension bow


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